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Episode 165: Ambassador Keith Harper

When Keith Harper was confirmed as President Obama’s representative to the UN Human Rights Council he became the first American-Indian to achieve the rank of Ambassador. The longtime attorney for native American rights soon put his knowledge of tribal culture to use in Geneva where he represented the United States on the top UN human rights body.

Ambassador Harper is a Cherokee Indian. He was born in San Francisco and from an early age was animated by a civil rights movement known as “Red Power.” After law school he represented a number of Native Americans and Native American causes and this culminated in a multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit against the federal government that he successfully litigated.

We spend this first few minutes of this conversation with a timely discussion the work of the Human Rights Council. The Trump administration is currently deciding whether or not to continue American participation in the council, and Harper makes the case that despite its flaws American interests are better served working with the institution than criticizing it from the outside.

About the Human Rights Council

This is a 47 member body in which each member state is elected by the entire UN membership to three year terms. One of its flaws that critics sometimes identify is that some of the members of the council have pretty lousy human rights records themselves–and this is undoubtedly true. But the reason they get elected to is because the membership of the council is apportioned based on a UN principle known as equitable geographic representation. This means that a certain number of seats are reserved for a certain number of countries in each region. (There are more African countries than there are western European countries so it would stand to reason that Africa gets more seats.) Problem arise when regions negotiate amongst themselves to nominate an equal number of candidates as there are seats so you get uncompetitive elections that result in countries like Burundi getting a seat.

That is one of they key flaws of the council. American officials also consider its undue focus on Israel to be another problematic bug. But despite these flaws, Harper makes a compelling argument for why the United States should nonetheless stay engaged. He also discusses at length some tangible outcomes in the service of human rights that the council achieved while he was the US ambassador there.

If you have 45 minutes and want to learn about how the Human Rights Council work and how a pioneering individual became the first American Indian to become a US Ambassador, have a listen.

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Trump’s new travel ban has one historic precedent: The Chinese Exclusion Act

The Trump administration this week announced sweeping new restrictions on travelers from eight countries:  Chad, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela and Yemen

Days later, the administration formally established that the United States will take in no more than 45,000 refugees fleeing conflict around the world. This is a record-low cap on the number of refugees that the United States has ever resettled since 1980. To put this in context, the previous cap authorized by President Obama was 110,000.

The travel ban and refugee cap are two separate policies, but they are related, at least politically, in the eyes of this administration.

With the exception of Venezuela, in which only government officials are targeted, the travel ban prevents nearly any national from these countries from obtaining a visa to visit, live, study or work in the United States. According to my podcast guest Mark Hetfield, there is only one historic precedent for this: the 1882, the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was an explicitely racists law barring all Chinese migration to the United States

Hetfield is President of HIAS–a jewish non-profit organization that is one of nine American agencies that resettles refugees in the United States.

In this episode, Mark discusses the travel ban, its implications for people both in the United States and abroad and also his organization’s new legal strategy to confront this travel ban. We also discuss at length this new refugee cap, which is an unprecedented abrogation of the traditional American approach to refugee admissions.

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Episode 165: Meghan O’Sullivan

Meghan O’Sullivan is the author of the new book Windfall: How the new energy abundance upends global politics and strengthens American power.  We kick off this episode with a discussion of the ways in which the natural gas boom in the United States is changing international diplomacy and geopolitics. It’s fascinating stuff!

O’Sullivan is the Kirkpatrick Professor of the Practice of International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School and has had a career in government and the think tank world. She served, for a time, as the deputy national security advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush administration and she was one of the first American civilian officials on the ground in Baghdad after the city fell to US forces in 2003. We discuss these events and more–including being mentored by the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

This conversation covers the geopolitics of energy, the US occupation of Iraq, and Meghan O’Sullivan’s career as an international relations scholar and practitioner.

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Episode 164: John Shattuck

John Shattuck is the former US Ambassador to the Czech Republic, former President of the Central European University, and served as the Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy Human Rights and Labor During the Clinton administration.  He is currently a professor at Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts

John was deep in the policy debates over the US response to the Rwanda genocide and explains how and why the United States failed to mount a meaningful response to this crisis. John also played a key role in uncovering the genocide at Srebrenica in which some 8,000 Bosnian men and boys were murdered by Serb forces, and he explains how he came to help uncover this crime.

John is a board member of Humanity in Action and we kick off this conversation discussing the situation in Poland and Hungary, where pluralist values and civic institutions have come under extreme threat by right wing governments. W discuss how civic organizations and universities can push back against this creeping illiberalism.

This is a great talk with someone who has had a fascinating career standing up for civil liberties and human rights in the United States and around the world.

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Former Senator Sam Nunn Explains How a New “Fuel Bank” Can Curb Nuclear Proliferation

The world may just have gotten a little bit safer.

In Kazakstan this week, the International Atomic Energy Agency is opening a new facility that will serve as a bank for Low Enriched Uranium. If it works at intended, fewer countries around the world will feel the need to enrich their own uranium, meaning that fewer countries will possess the capacity to produce a nuclear weapon.

This facility is known as the “LEU fuel bank” and its opening is the result of over a decade of work by my guest today, former US Senator (and longtime nuclear security advocate) Sam Nunn.

Credit: Nuclear Threat Initiative

The idea behind the LEU fuel bank is basically this: countries that want to use civilian nuclear power must either build their own enrichment facilities, or must purchase enriched uranium on the open market. The concern with the former is that facilities that enrich uranium for civilian purposes could also be used to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb. The bank is basically an insurance policy to dissuade countries from wanting to build their own enrichment facilities; because if for some reason the market is disrupted and supplies cut off, the county can get their fuel from this bank, which stores enough fuel to power a mid sized city for three years.

In this episode, Senator Nunn explains how this idea for a fuel bank, which had been around for decades, was turned into a reality on the ground. Here, the NGO he co-chairs, the Nuclear Threat Initiative deserves much credit. For years, the Nuclear Threat Initiative has been working behind the scenes to set up this bank and they got a big boost when Warren Buffet pledged $50 million to the cause.

If you have 20 minutes and want to hear non-proliferation legend Sam Nunn tell the story behind the LEU bank and why its advent is an important boon for international security and non-proliferation, have a listen.

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Episode 159: Eric Schwartz, former top State Department official who ran US refugee programs

 

Eric Schwartz served as the top refugee policy official in the Obama administration, as the Assistant Secretary of State for Population, Refugees and Migration between 2009 and 2011. He was recently appointed the president of Refugees International, an advocacy organization in Washington, DC. We kick off this conversation discussing US refugee policy in the wake of President Trump’s attempts to sharply curb the number or refugees allowed into the United States.

Eric has had a fascinating career. He worked in the NGO sector helping to establish Human Rights Watch’s Asia branch; and also for both the United States government– including in Bill Clinton’s National Security Council. He also worked for the United Nations, under both the High Commissioner for Human Rights and under the special envoy for Tsunami recovery to help countries affected by the massive 2004 indian ocean Tsunami. (That special envoy was Bill Clinton.)

We also discuss at length about Eric’s relationship with Sergio Vieira de Mello. He was a well known figure around the United Nations who served as the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights before working for a stint as the top UN official in Iraq immediately following the US invasion and occupation of the country. de Mello was killed in a bombing of the UN headquarters in Baghdad, along with 21 others, and Eric discusses how that impacted him personally and professionally.

Episode 155: Marietje Schaake, Member of the European Parliament

 

The Netherlands, Amsterdam, 13 May 2016. Portrait Marietje Schaake, Dutch politician, Member European Parliament (ALDE-Democrats – Democraten 66). Photo: Bram Belloni / Nederland,

Marietje Schaake was 30 years old when she first joined the European Parliament as a representative from the Netherlands in 2009. She candidly discusses the kinds of challenges she faced as a young woman navigating what was then–and still is–mostly and old mens club.  Now in her second term, Marietje serves on key committees, including the International Trade and Foreign Policy committee. She is also the vice president of the US delegation.

We caught up shortly after a series of consequential elections in Europe, including the victory of Emmanuel Macron in France and the surprising near-defeat of Therese May in the United Kingdom. We kick off this conversation discussing the current state of right wing populism in Europe and the effect that Donald Trump is having on European politics.

Our conversation about Marietje and her work as an MEP serves as an exceedingly useful explainer of how the European Parliament works–we use her efforts to create some rules of the road for digital trade as an entry point to discuss the procedures, processes and politics of the European Parliament and the EU more broadly. You will learn how the European Parliament works and why it matters.

On a personal note, Marietje is someone I’ve known for many years. We are both alums of Humanity in Action from our University days and it was great to catch up with her and learn about her work as an MEP.

Here’s Marietje’s website

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Episode 154: Hans Binnendijk

 

Hans Binnendijk is a senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic relations and a longtime DC foreign policy insider. He served in top posts in the Clinton administration, including in the National Security Council and he was the founding director of the Center for Technology and National Security Policy at National Defense University.

Hans is a senior foreign policy hand who has collected many affiliations along the way, including as a board member of Humanity in Action.

Hans wrote one of my favorite op-eds of all-time, making the case for robust State Department funding by comparing the number of people in military marching bands to the number of US foreign service officers. We kick off with a discussion about State Department staffing and then have a longer conversation about his life and career, including his experience as a child immigrant from post-war Netherlands and how he rose through the ranks of the DC foreign policy establishment. It’s a good talk with some interesting digressions along the way.

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Episode 147: Linda Thomas-Greenfield

Linda Thomas-Greenfield grew up the oldest of eight children in a small segregated town outside of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. They were poor. Her father was not literate. Despite these circumstances, she became one of America’s top diplomats, having just left her post a few weeks ago as the Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs.

Amb Thomas-Greenfield speaks candidly about the kinds of racial animus she faced growing up and in college at Louisiana State University. She tells how she first became interested in Africa and how her career as an Africa specialist evolved, including a formative stint as a diplomat in the small country of the Gambia.

(Stay for the discussion of the “Gumbo Diplomacy” she practiced as ambassador to Liberia when Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf won the Nobel Peace Prize!)

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Episode 145: Richard Haass

It’s a small victory for me as the interviewer when the person with whom I’m speaking admits that he is probably being overly candid — as Richard Haass did when he discussed some of his reasons for leaving the George W. Bush State Department over the Iraq war.

Richard Haass (of course) is President of the Council on Foreign Relations. His newest book is A World in Disarray: American Foreign Policy and the Crisis of the Old Order which we discuss at the top of the episode.

I caught up with Richard just a couple hours after he finished interviewing UN Ambassador Nikki Haley on stage at CFR in New York and we kick off discussing the Trump administration’s approach to the UN before having a conversation about his newest book and a good talk about his life and career. He opens up about the influence of his conservative father, striking a friendship with Colin Powell early in his career, and navigating the DC foreign policy bureaucracy before landing at CFR.

I was thrilled to speak with him–he’s someone that if you are listening to this podcast has probably had some amount of influence on how you see the world. If you want to learn the life story and career highlights of one of the more influential voices in American foreign policy have a listen.

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