Princeton Lyman was a long serving US Diplomat who has become a leading expert on African politics and policy. He most recently served as President Obama’s special envoy to Sudan and South Sudan from 2011 to 2013; but before that had an extensive career in the foreign service that included stints as US Ambassador to Nigeria and to South Africa during the negotiations that lead to the end of Apartheid and the election of Nelson Mandela. And we do have an extensive conversation about his participation in those historic negotiations.
We spoke the day that news broke that Donald Trump was readying an executive order that would severely curtail refugee resettlement to the US, including from a number of Muslim majority countries. Princeton served as the top US official for refugee issues during the George H.W. Bush administration so we kick off discussing how those potential restrictions fit into the history of US refugee resettlement policy.
We then pivot to a longer conversation about his life and career, including his rather unique first name. It’s a good story — a classic one, actually.


Karen Greenberg has spent the last 15 years studying the intersection of national security, terrorism and civil liberties. She’s currently the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School.

Maria Stephan is a pioneering academic and public intellectual who studies authoritarian regimes and how they fall. She’s the co-author with Erica Chenoweth of the groundbreaking and award winning book Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict which was a first-of-its kind study that offered empirical evidence that non-violent resistance is more effective than conflict and civil war in toppling oppressive regimes. She recently lead a study with the Atlantic Council showing that authoritarianism is on the rise globally and we kick off with an extended conversation about that study and how the recent US election fits into her overall thesis.
On the line with me to preview the big stories, ideas, trends and crises and provocations that will set the agenda at the United Nations and beyond is Richard Gowen. He’s a fellow with the European Council on Foreign Affairs and a regular guest of this very podcast. We have a lively conversation about Trump’s relationship with the UN, the new incoming secretary general and more.
