Derek Chollet is the author of the new book The Long Game: How Obama Defied Washington and Redefined America’s
Role in the World.
Derek served in a number of foreign policy positions in the Obama administration, including in the National Security Council, State Department and finally as an assistant secretary of defense for international security so this book serves, very much, as an insider’s assessment of 7 years of Obama’s foreign policy.
We kick off with an extended discussion about his book and Obama’s foreign policy more broadly before pivoting to a conversation about Derek’s fascinating career path from a college town in Nebraska to the highest reaches of US foreign policy making.

Helen Clark is a candidate to become the next UN Secretary General. She’s the former Prime Minister of New Zealand, serving from 1999 to 2008 and is currently the head of the United Nations Development Program.
Priscilla Clapp had a 30 year career in the state department, which ended in 2002 as the top US official in Burma. She also served in top positions in South Africa in the early 1990s during the transition from Apartheid and in Japan and Moscow.
When Lauren Wolfe reported on a war crime in eastern Congo, she could hardly have expected that her 
